tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post1341420078580339164..comments2023-10-15T22:45:46.451+08:00Comments on Syah's Optometry Blog: RETINOSCOPEThe Travelerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04326376327284497514noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-35108871430510626722011-01-06T07:28:07.832+08:002011-01-06T07:28:07.832+08:00@Amar Hanif
another correction,
Hyperope can corr...@<a href="#c6114595268859330922" rel="nofollow">Amar Hanif</a><br /><br />another correction,<br />Hyperope can correct by plus lens and myope by negative lens.Kamilatunnisak Atemanhttp://nisachoc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-1902450907772085982011-01-04T12:38:02.880+08:002011-01-04T12:38:02.880+08:00Let's discuss about movement of retinoscopy re...Let's discuss about movement of retinoscopy reflects. How does it optically formed as against movement for myope eyes and with movement for hyperope eyes?<br /><br />Assalamu'alaikum w.b.t to all,<br />Sorry 4 the late response. Ok,i think it's just the simple concept can be understood regarding the question above..<br />Focussing on these 2 conditions : <br />1- MYOPIA- AGAINST MOVEMENT<br />2- HYPEROPIA- WITH MOVEMENT<br /><br />Against movement<br />-The reflex moves in the opposite direction to the retinoscope<br />-The examiner will see the reflex at the far point before the patient’s eye<br />-Neutralized by -ve lenses <br /><br />With movement:<br />-The reflex moves in the same direction as the retinoscope<br />-The examiner will see the reflex at the far point of the patient's eye which is behind the patient’s eye <br />-Neutralized by +ve lenses <br /><br />More in4 related to discussion :<br />http://www.icee.org/education2/student_manual/PDF_protected/16_Retinoscopy_Student.pdfMohd Syukri Aminuddinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-61145952688593309222011-01-04T10:12:27.347+08:002011-01-04T10:12:27.347+08:00@Norhanani Zafirah Bt Mohamad Noor Hakim
owh, like...@<a href="#c4499829454957782153" rel="nofollow">Norhanani Zafirah Bt Mohamad Noor Hakim</a><br />owh, like that..<br />tq for correcting me..Amar Hanifnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-44998294549577821532011-01-04T08:53:10.740+08:002011-01-04T08:53:10.740+08:00@Amar Hanif
Amar, near sightedness for myopic pat...@<a href="#c514222844579313205" rel="nofollow">Amar Hanif</a><br /><br />Amar, near sightedness for myopic patient is right but then there is no such word as far sightedness in optics. Hyperopic patient kan see at distance so do at near but with the help of accommodation.. =)<br /><br />Kan sir kan? Hehe.Norhanani Zafirah Bt Mohamad Noor Hakimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09975126290475465424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-49691245340090603112011-01-04T07:37:06.970+08:002011-01-04T07:37:06.970+08:00please correct me if i'm wrong
~learn from mis...please correct me if i'm wrong<br />~learn from mistake~Siti Hawa Saadah Hamdannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-17766447623591574972011-01-04T07:30:38.970+08:002011-01-04T07:30:38.970+08:00Bismillahirrahmanirrahim..assalamualaikum...may Al...Bismillahirrahmanirrahim..assalamualaikum...may Allah bless all of us...<br /><br />straight to the question..<br />from my understanding,the question is,how does the ‘with’ movement occur for hyperope and ‘against’ movement for myope eyes.<br /><br />for the first case,that is MYOPE<br /><br />-if the retinoscope is placed beyond the patient’s far point and swept from side to side across the pupil, the light reflex seen inside the pupil appears to sweep in the opposite direction as the streak emitted from the retinoscope.<br /><br />-how does this happen??<br />1.A plane mirror retinoscope forms an out-of-focus patch of light upon the patient’s fundus. When the mirror tilted down,the patch of light also moves down.<br />2.Patch of light become the object,then,an aerial image of retinal patch formed in front of retinoscopist’s eye.<br />3.This aerial image moves in the opposite direction to the movement of retinal patch(if retinal patch moves down,the aerial image moves up)<br />4.A blurred image of the aerial image formed on the retinoscopist’s retina.<br />5.As the aerial image moves up the retinal image moves down.<br /><br />-we can correct this by using minus lens<br /><br />For the second case,HYPEROPE<br /><br />-‘with’ motion reflex of light comes into the shadow projected in the optical system from the aperture of the retinoscope. They form an unfocused horizontal filament image on the patient that acts as a new object with its image behind the retina.<br /><br />-For more understand how does this happen,<br />1.A plane mirror retinoscope forms an out-of-focus patch of light upon the patient’s fundus. When the mirror tilted down,the patch of light also moves down.<br />2.Patch of light becomes the object for a hyperope of less than 1.50D.<br />3. An aerial image of retinal patch formed behind the retinoscopist’s eye and this aerial image moves in the opposite direction to the movement of the retinal patch.<br />4.For hyperopic case, a blurred image of the aerial image is formed on the retina of the retinoscopist.<br />5.As the aerial image moves up so does the blurred image upon the retinoscopist’s retina.<br /><br />-we can correct this by using plus lens.<br /><br />Because the retinoscopist inverts everything seen on his or her retina, the reflex is seen as moving ‘with’ the movement of the mirror in hyperopia and ‘against’ the movement of the mirror in myopia.Siti Hawa Saadah Hamdannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-79224037480612419422011-01-04T06:46:45.412+08:002011-01-04T06:46:45.412+08:00bismillahirrahmanirrahim…
since many of our frien...bismillahirrahmanirrahim…<br /><br />since many of our friend have quite similar comments, I want to give in a quite different way.<br /><br />refer to the question, how does movement of RET’s reflects optically formed as:<br />-AGAINST movement for MYOPE eye? <br />-WITH movement for HYPEROPE eye?<br /><br />before we go deeply, let’s look to 4 principles of RET:<br />1.the instrument is moved<br />2.working at specific distance<br />3.RET access reflected light (patch of light) in terms of:<br />a.size<br />b.movement<br />c.speed<br />d.brightness<br />4.fundus act as fixed screen as the direction of the light:<br />light of RET>patient’s pupil>patient’s fundus>patient’s pupil>retinoscopist’s eye<br /><br />fundus image can indicates the behavior of reflects either:<br />-WITH movement<br />-AGAINST movement<br />-NO movement<br /><br />for MYOPE and HYPEROPE, <br />image formed is out-of-focus patch of light upon the patient’s fundus while for EMMETROPE, the image formed is focus on the fundus.<br /><br />MYOPE:<br />-a blurred image of the aerial image located IN FRONT of the fundus.<br />-the aerial image has an OPPOSITE direction with the retinal image as it called AGAINST movement<br />-must use –ve lens to make sure the image formed on the fundus<br /><br />HYPEROPE:<br />-a blurred image of the aerial image located BACK of the fundus.<br />-the aerial image has an SAME direction with the retinal image as it called WITH movement<br />-must use +ve lens to make sure the image formed on the fundus<br /><br />~show me da truth~nurjannah ngatimannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-5142228445793132052011-01-04T06:30:43.321+08:002011-01-04T06:30:43.321+08:00Assalamualaikum, encik muziman dan rakan2..
First...Assalamualaikum, encik muziman dan rakan2..<br /><br />Firstly, we must know the function of retinoscope. Retinoscope is used to detect abnormalities occur in patient's eye which are refractive error, astigmatism, pathology abnormalities and etc.<br /><br />For refractive errors, there are 3 conditions of the eyes which are hyperope, myope and emmetrope.<br /><br />From my understanding, we just apply the simple optics concept in determining the movement of reflection.<br /><br />1)hyperope.<br />-known as far sightedness.<br />-occur when image formed at the back of retina.<br />-the nature of image is virtual and upright.<br />-if the object is upward, image formed is also upward. It occur because the reflection of object at retina that focused the light in accordance to where the light is projected.<br />-so, the reflection that can be seen via retinoscope is with movement.<br />-hyperope can be corrected by negative lens or concave lens.<br /><br />2)myope.<br />-known as near sightedness.<br />-occur when the image formed in front of the retina.<br />-the nature of image is real and inverted<br />-if the object is upward, image formed is downward. It occur because of light is further travel after intersection at focal point in front of retina.<br />-so, the reflection that can be observed via retinoscope is against movement.<br />-myope can be corrected by positive lens or convex lens.<br /><br />3)emmetrope<br />-it explain the condition of normal eye that directed the light to infinity.<br />-no movement seen via retinoscope.<br /><br />That's all from me..<br />Allah a'lam..Amar Hanifnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-35431152235318904392011-01-04T05:29:30.998+08:002011-01-04T05:29:30.998+08:00Q.1)MOVEMENT OF RETINOSCOPY REFLEX
1)“WITH” MOVEM...Q.1)MOVEMENT OF RETINOSCOPY REFLEX<br /><br />1)“WITH” MOVEMENT<br />-when the reflex moves in the same direction as the sweeping motion of the ret streak.<br /><br />2)“AGAINST” MOVEMENT<br />-when the reflex moves in the opposite direction to the sweeping motion of the ret streak.<br /><br />3)“NO” MOVEMENT/ NEUTRAL<br />-when the whole pupil is filled with light<br />-no ret reflex during sweeping<br />-it is what we aim to get when doing ret coz when we’ve found the neutral point, we can estimate the person’s refractive error.<br /><br />4)“SCISSORS” MOVEMENT<br />-very rarely seen<br />-indicates that the person has irregular astigmatism<br />-appearance of the movement:<br /> a)not “neutral”, “with” or “against”<br /> b)a double reflex that seems to rotate as the streak is swept over the pupil<br /> c)named scissors coz it looks like a pair of scissors opening & closing<br /><br />**SWEEPING: smooth, repetitive movement of the ret’s light across the person’s eye.<br /><br /><br /><br />Before I answer this question, let’s get some basic ideas how does ret functioned..<br /><br />-Retinoscope consists of a single lens, a light source and a mirror. <br />-Ret will directs a beam of parallel/slightly divergent beam of light into the customer’s eye.<br />- The light will illuminates the customer’s retina and is reflected back causing a reflex in the customer’s pupil (we called it fundus reflex). <br />-The refractionist while observing the reflex in the customer’s pupil can determine the refractive condition of the customer’s eye by using trial lenses on a phoropter.<br />- The trial/corrective lenses placed in front of the customer’s eye caused the reflected light to focus/conjugate to the pupil of the examiner’s eye.<br /><br /><br />from my understanding (correct me if I’m wrong, sir n friends..)<br /><br />IN GENERAL<br />-we’ll focus on two things (retinal image and aerial image).<br />-retinal image is the real image formed on patient’s retina. It will become object for aerial image.<br />-aerial image is the projected light patch from patient’s retina. It’ll become object for refraction at the retinoscopist’s eye.<br /><br />NORMAL CASES <br />-for “healthy” eye, aerial image will form in the plane of the retinoscopist’s pupil thus the whole retinoscopist’s fov is illuminated simultaneously.<br />-light leaving the eye is directed to infinity (move parallelly) thus conjugate to this retina.<br />-image formed is clear.<br /><br />Q.2)HOW RET REFLEX OPTICALLY FORMED AS “AGAINST” MOVEMENT FOR MYOPE EYE?<br /><br />MYOPE EYE<br />-has excessive refractive power (too much plus power).<br />-rays come to a focus in front of the retina.<br />-blurred aerial image of light patch formed in front the retinoscopist’s retina.<br />-aerial image moves up and retinal image moves down.<br />-as refractionist shines the light streak on customer’s eye in the vertical position and moves the light streak, the image reflex appeared to opposite the direction.<br />- correct this by using minus lens.<br /><br />Q.3)HOW RET REFLEX OPTICALLY FORMED AS “WITH” MOVEMENT FOR HYPEROPE EYE?<br /><br />HYPEROPE EYE<br />-deficient in refractive power.<br />-point of focus is behind retina coz rays from infinity aren’t refracted enough.<br />-light leaves the eye diverged as it came from a point behind the eye. <br />-blurred aerial image formed behind the retinoscopist’s retina.<br />-both aerial image and retinal image moves up.<br />-as refractionist shines the light streak on customer’s eye in the vertical position and moves the light streak, the image reflex appeared to opposite the direction.<br />-correct this by using plus lens.<br /><br />**BCOZ RETINOSCOPIST INVERTS EVERYTHING SEEN ON HIS/HER RETINA,the reflex is seen as moving "with" movement of the ret's mirror in hyperopia & "against" movement in myopia.SUYIDATINA BT SULAIMANnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-73238017550081491552011-01-04T05:07:17.755+08:002011-01-04T05:07:17.755+08:00@muhammad fahmi anan
negative lens = concave lens...@<a href="#c1263166114981088549" rel="nofollow">muhammad fahmi anan</a><br /><br />negative lens = concave lens<br /><br />positive lens = convex lens<br /><br />heheh...Mr Lipidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-39343546158486551472011-01-04T04:26:13.715+08:002011-01-04T04:26:13.715+08:00mcmtu ke = like that ke?? :))mcmtu ke = like that ke?? :))muhammad hazwan razaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-42691143524619775212011-01-04T04:24:44.956+08:002011-01-04T04:24:44.956+08:00wow.. good job everyone....
for myope eye:
we kno...wow.. good job everyone....<br /><br />for myope eye:<br />we know basically image will form infront of the eye real inverted.so when we move RET downward image Form also downward<br />(now the light become an object for retinoscopy)<br /><br />retinoscopy invert everything seen on his or her retina...when we see the movement of retinoscopy reflects is upward..so the movement of RET not same like RET reflect ..that why it againt movement mcm tu ke???????<br /><br /><br />but it different in hyperope eye:<br />the image basically will form behind the retina virtual and upright,so when we move RET downward image Form in retina will Upward<br />now image in retina become object to RET.we can see retinoscopy reflects is downward...so the movement of RET same like the RET reflect<br /><br />it's true???? <br />please correct me if i'm wrong because this is what i'm understandmuhammad hazwan razaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-80084847915560037642011-01-04T01:44:08.298+08:002011-01-04T01:44:08.298+08:00Let's discuss about movement of retinoscopy re...Let's discuss about movement of retinoscopy reflects. How does it optically formed as against movement for myope eyes and with movement for hyperope eyes?<br />making some edit:<br />from my understanding...<br />Hyperope: which have with movement of light<br /><br />when shine the retinoscopy light, light pass working distance length, and pass through patient pupil and projected on fundus,fundus act as screen then reflect the light to retinoscopy of examiner eye... <br />-the image on the retina of patient's eye acts as new object then will form image behind the retina...so, the examiner will see the reflex at far point of patient eye which it is behind the eye..<br />-far point is point that we can see the object clearly.(correct me if im wrong)<br /><br /><br />myope: which have against movement of light<br />the image form fall infront of examiner eye. so the far point is in between of examiner and patient eye.so, if it is outside the far point, it gives against motion of light.<br /><br />*again correct me if im wrong.Awatif Akmal Arshadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-12631661149810885492011-01-03T23:12:23.689+08:002011-01-03T23:12:23.689+08:00okay..
myope=near-sightedness=rabun jauh
then th...okay..<br /><br />myope=near-sightedness=rabun jauh<br /><br />then the light focus in front retina<br /><br />thats why we need negative lens=convex lens<br /><br />to focus the light back to retina<br /><br />same goes to hyperope but in opposite way<br /><br />hyperope=far-sightedness=rabun dekat<br /><br />light focus at the back of retina<br /><br />thats why we nned positive lens=concave lens<br /><br />to diverge light to retina<br /><br />thanks.<br /><br />tolong betulkan jika ada tersalah kata2. ;))muhammad fahmi anannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-35836175930623630852011-01-03T21:31:27.053+08:002011-01-03T21:31:27.053+08:00salam...
from my obsevation n reading all ur comme...salam...<br />from my obsevation n reading all ur comment...<br />i got confused...<br />what are the term/ important element in retinoscopy....<br />can anyone explain it to me...<br />thanks...nuur hani khairuddinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-31845334343477407372011-01-03T16:03:05.494+08:002011-01-03T16:03:05.494+08:00bismillahirrahmanirrahim…
since many of our frien...bismillahirrahmanirrahim…<br /><br />since many of our friend have quite similar comments, I want to give in a quite different way.<br /><br />refer to the question, how does movement of RET’s reflects optically formed as:<br />-AGAINST movement for MYOPE eye? <br />-WITH movement for HYPEROPE eye?<br />before we go deeply, let’s look to 4 principles of RET:<br />1.the instrument is moved<br />2.working at specific distance<br />3.RET access reflected light (patch of light) in terms of:<br />a.size<br />b.movement<br />c.speed<br />d.brightness<br />4.fundus act as fixed screen as the direction of the light:<br /><br />light of RET>patient’s pupil>patient’s fundus>patient’s pupil>retinoscopist’s eye<br /><br />fundus image can indicates the behavior of reflects either:<br />-WITH movement<br />-AGAINST movement<br />-NO movement<br /><br />for MYOPE and HYPEROPE, <br />image formed is out-of-focus patch of light upon the patient’s fundus while for EMMETROPE, the image formed is focus on the fundus.<br /><br />MYOPE:<br />-a blurred image of the aerial image located IN FRONT of the fundus.<br />-the aerial image has an OPPOSITE direction with the retinal image as it called AGAINST movement<br />-must use –ve lens to make sure the image formed on the fundus<br /><br />HYPEROPE:<br />-a blurred image of the aerial image located BACK of the fundus.<br />-the aerial image has an SAME direction with the retinal image as it called WITH movement<br />-must use +ve lens to make sure the image formed on the fundus<br /><br />~show me da truth~nurjannah ngatimannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-7151364553674246262011-01-03T16:02:57.934+08:002011-01-03T16:02:57.934+08:00Assalamualaikum.
let's share...
1)hyprope'...Assalamualaikum.<br />let's share...<br />1)hyprope's eye<br />-Occurs when rays from distant axial object point focus ‘behind’ the macula, M’ in unaccommodated eye.<br />-When retinoscope light is move up and down and is directed into the eye,the pupil inside the eye will move as SAME direction as retinoscope light.<br />So it's WITH movement.<br />-It can be corrected by using positive power<br /><br />2)Myope's eye<br />-Myope is when Distance ray of object point focus in front of the macula in the unaccommodated eye.<br />-when retinoscope lihgt come to focus in front of retina.<br />- retinoscope light is tilted and move in OPPOSITE direction as retinoscope light.<br />-So it's AGAINST movement<br />-It can be corrected by using negative power.<br /><br />----->correct if i'm wrongNoor Asma" binti Mohamad Noornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-91377296767762815832011-01-03T15:55:03.611+08:002011-01-03T15:55:03.611+08:00Assalamualaikum.
let's share...
1)hyprope'...Assalamualaikum.<br />let's share...<br />1)hyprope's eye<br />-Occurs when rays from distant axial object point focus ‘behind’ the macula, M’ in unaccommodated eye.<br />-When retinoscope light is move up and down and is directed into the eye,the pupil inside the eye will move as SAME direction as retinoscope light.<br />So it's WITH movement.<br />-It can be corrected by using positive power<br /><br />2)Myope's eye<br />-Myope is when Distance ray of object point focus in front of the macula in the unaccommodated eye.<br />-when retinoscope lihgt come to focus in front of retina.<br />- retinoscope light is tilted and move in OPPOSITE direction as retinoscope light.<br />-So it's AGAINS movement<br />-It can be corrected by using negative power.<br /><br />----->correct if i'm wrongAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-53220598580643017952011-01-03T15:03:45.794+08:002011-01-03T15:03:45.794+08:00bismillahirrahmanirrahim…
since many of our frien...bismillahirrahmanirrahim…<br /><br />since many of our friend have quite similar comments, I want to give in a quite different way.<br /><br />refer to the question, how does movement of RET’s reflects optically formed as:<br />-AGAINST movement for MYOPE eye? <br />-WITH movement for HYPEROPE eye?<br /><br />before we go deeply, let’s look to 4 principles of RET:<br />1.the instrument is moved<br />2.working at specific distance<br />3.RET access reflected light (patch of light) in terms of:<br />-size<br />-movement<br />-speed<br />-brightness<br />4.fundus act as fixed screen as the direction of the light:<br />light of RET>patient’s pupil>patient’s fundus>patient’s pupil>retinoscopist’s eye<br /><br />fundus image can indicates the behavior of reflects either:<br />-WITH movement<br />-AGAINST movement<br />-NO movement<br /><br />for MYOPE and HYPEROPE, <br />image formed is out-of-focus patch of light upon the patient’s fundus while for EMMETROPE, the image formed is focus on the fundus.<br /><br />MYOPE:<br />-a blurred image of the aerial image located IN FRONT of the fundus.<br />-the aerial image has an OPPOSITE direction with the retinal image as it called AGAINST movement<br />-must use –ve lens to make sure the image formed on the fundus<br /><br />HYPEROPE<br />-a blurred image of the aerial image located BACK of the fundus.<br />-the aerial image has an SAME direction with the retinal image as it called WITH movement<br />-must use +ve lens to make sure the image formed on the fundus<br /><br />~show me da truth~nurjannah ngatimannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-6738188751690875652011-01-03T00:17:23.979+08:002011-01-03T00:17:23.979+08:00weh3!!!!!kOrang ingt ni fb kew????cdey ak bce opin...weh3!!!!!kOrang ingt ni fb kew????cdey ak bce opinions korang ni la....:((muhammad fahmi anannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-66376729329615323082011-01-03T00:14:22.987+08:002011-01-03T00:14:22.987+08:00kO tnye ajew fahmi!!!!!ak pn booley ajar kO la;;)kO tnye ajew fahmi!!!!!ak pn booley ajar kO la;;)SARIZI HASIMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-25810590934182962122011-01-03T00:14:17.526+08:002011-01-03T00:14:17.526+08:00syazwan can u speak english..im not understand wha...syazwan can u speak english..im not understand what are you talking about..;)Nasrul Hadi Mohd Sanadinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-3066909733687559282011-01-03T00:10:27.060+08:002011-01-03T00:10:27.060+08:00spe2 boley bg ak tuisyen diz course???ak nk jd pan...spe2 boley bg ak tuisyen diz course???ak nk jd pandai..:-tsyazwan hafiz mohdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504496555839203608.post-64417826179018452432011-01-03T00:06:35.088+08:002011-01-03T00:06:35.088+08:00@Roxy zai
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